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Post by rostam on Mar 31, 2017 1:23:47 GMT -5
How come vinyl and cassettes never caught on in bdm to the extent that they did in just about every other genre of metal?
While I used to collect vinyl, i quickly realized that CD were the superior format (for me). Obvious cost and storage issues aside, I'm super anal about the condition of my collection, and records are just too damn susceptible to damage, especially during shipping. Any time I order a record, I stress out until it arrives, and any damage/imperfection drives me nuts.
I still buy cassettes, and the releases on my label are almost exclusively on cassette. As a small label, it's much more cost effective to release cassettes, especially for limited releases. No one seems to want a CD-r, so unless you want to print 300+ of a release, cassettes are really the way to go. Obviously, cassettes have some serious short comings as well, as anyone who has had a tape eaten by a cassette deck can tell you.
Anyway, bdm seems to have avoided the vinyl and cassette craze, which is fine by me. But the question remains: how come?
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Post by Vriend on Mar 31, 2017 2:18:10 GMT -5
The sound I think.
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Post by DisJorge on Mar 31, 2017 3:51:32 GMT -5
Well, I guess both vinyl and cassette were already receding when BDM came to expand. I've never enjoyed either of them for the reasons mentioned, although I find awesome the big covers and navigating through them at the store.
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Post by Tocci on Mar 31, 2017 15:53:29 GMT -5
Cause both of them are niche markets nowadays. Technically, you can say that about any physical format at this time I suppose, but more so those 2. They are mainly made for collectors and not casual buyers. Music stores may sell some vinyl nowadays but almost none stock cassettes unless it's old, used ones.
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Post by rostam on Mar 31, 2017 23:44:53 GMT -5
You are right, I am sure the sound quality has something to do with it. However, since I am far from an "audiophile," I was never able to tell the difference myself. So you think that bdm sounds better on CD than it does on other formats? Again, I wouldn't be able to tell you, because I guess my ears are not sophisticated enough, but I would love to hear your thoughts! |
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Post by Vriend on Apr 1, 2017 5:21:42 GMT -5
You are right, I am sure the sound quality has something to do with it. However, since I am far from an "audiophile," I was never able to tell the difference myself. So you think that bdm sounds better on CD than it does on other formats? Again, I wouldn't be able to tell you, because I guess my ears are not sophisticated enough, but I would love to hear your thoughts! Well, personally I listen to quit some black metal and the soundquality from the vinyl really matches the style. Brutal dm is more static sort of to say then black metal. My ears aren't perfect either, but most black metal does sound better on vinyl. Also, the big picture is amazing. Some have a nice booklet like Deathspell Omega. That is more impressive on a bigger format. |
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Post by rostam on Apr 1, 2017 13:48:19 GMT -5
Cause both of them are niche markets nowadays. Technically, you can say that about any physical format at this time I suppose, but more so those 2. They are mainly made for collectors and not casual buyers. Music stores may sell some vinyl nowadays but almost none stock cassettes unless it's old, used ones. But I feel like even among bdm collectors, vinyl and cassette never caught on. Perhaps Vriend is correct; the sound quality of vinyl doesn't really do anything for bdm like it does for other genres such as black metal. The only real downside to the lack of vinyl in bdm is missing out on large format artwork. Thankfully, lots of labels are remedying this by printing flags! |
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Post by goryblasphemy on Apr 2, 2017 23:18:31 GMT -5
Yet black metal thrives on cassette and vinyl as the preferred format. So id disagree about the market idea, but maybe bdm fans just dont like the format.
Its actually my favorite (vinyl) but its also more expensive to produce and labels make more selling CDs so I guess it is kind of the market.
Weird... all I know is id like some more bdm vinyl.....
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Post by deadlyresurrection on Apr 7, 2017 10:42:30 GMT -5
The only cassette I have is a Shrouded Deity demo I bought a number of years back under the impression it was a CD
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Post by Scum on Apr 8, 2017 14:09:53 GMT -5
I have some tapes, but mainly because it's a release which is not available in any other format.
I hardly understand why tapes are coming back. It's cheaper than cd or vinyl ok, but the sound is mostly crap and for goregrind release it's even worse lol.
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Post by thrsher on Apr 8, 2017 20:14:13 GMT -5
As an independent artist, vinyl is extremely expensive compared to CD and it's not a product you want to sit on stock. However, my band is doing a really small run of vinyl, only 100 as I know that quantity will sell very quickly and I don't have to worry about l the money put out for it
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Post by goryblasphemy on Apr 11, 2017 7:07:36 GMT -5
I have some tapes, but mainly because it's a release which is not available in any other format. I hardly understand why tapes are coming back. It's cheaper than cd or vinyl ok, but the sound is mostly crap and for goregrind release it's even worse lol. Its a novelty kind of thing. Something different as there arent many. But I prefer the sound for some bands . Makes the shitty music even more shitty. |
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Post by sickusername on Jun 28, 2017 3:49:50 GMT -5
i own some of BDM vinyl and sometimes make a point of buying the 12" version but the sad truth of the matter is that most of them just aren't done right and sound shitty (case in point: the cephalotripsy full length). not sure what the problem here seems to be - i guess they just haven't been properly remastered for vinyl. psalms of the moribund on unholy cult records sounds fucking great tho. the vinyl sounding crappy is not a problem limited to underground bands/labels tho, i have a 1992 tomb of the mutilated vinyl and a 2010 (?) butchered at birth rerelease - comparing the sound is just frustrating. really shoddy job there.
but like many other guy here in this thread i have absolutely no explanation for why vinyl doesn't sell too well in the BDM scene - pretty sure goatgrind records guy is still sitting on tons of cranial impalement 12" almost a decade after release
tapes are for demos and discographies, not album releases imho. used to own a ton of tapes early last decade (jesus fuck...) when they were dirt cheap and i still had a tape deck in the car i owned back then. selling tape rereleases of albums readily available in other formats and then charging upwards of 9€ for them is absolutely absurd tho. i still buy tapes somewhat regularly, but most of them tend to be HC/PV/grind stuff.
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Post by pooptastik on Jun 28, 2017 8:33:32 GMT -5
Here's a very weird anomaly, have you guys heard the CHTHE’ILIST demo?
It was originally released on digital files first, then on cassette. I kid you not, the cassette version sounds far better.
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Post by deathandbeer on Jun 28, 2017 15:40:11 GMT -5
I'd say it probably comes down to the capital needed to do a run of LPs. Most independent bands and smallers labels probably can't afford to lay out that much cash for something that is still mostly a collectors item. It seems to be taking off on some of the bigger metal labels but BDM is a niche sub-genre of a niche sub-genre. Five years ago I don't remember seeing vinyl released like it is now, so maybe it will just take time to trickle down.
Wish more BDM was released on vinyl though. I love having the large format artwork and the sound nice as well. I've got the Chapters of Repugnance 12" and it blows my tits off every time I play it. There's not much I wouldn't do for a Misery LP.
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Post by pooptastik on Jul 2, 2017 8:52:57 GMT -5
Brodequin's Prelude To Execution was released both on CD and Vinyl. Both also only limited to a 1000 copies and hand numbered. Except one of them goes for obscene amount of money, the other you can still buy for $9.
The BDM scene isn't much into Cassettes these days. But back in the early 2000s, the Indonesian scene was very much into cassettes - Extreme Souls Productions released a bunch of licensed titles, like Brodequin's "Festival of Death," Malignancy "Motivated By Hunger" etc
Vinyl never caught on, I think because it's I think of it's inconvenience in size / weight / and shipping charges. Wholesale CDs is easier because you can take off the jewel cases and reduce the shipping charges and way more profitable. I've sent CDs and LPs to SEA and Russia and man I fucking HATE it whenever I have to do LPs.
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Post by inspectorkemp on Jul 20, 2017 20:57:50 GMT -5
I'd collect more vinyl but as it stands I only do it with shit that's really something special, or only available on vinyl, hence why I only own two LP's and one 7-inch. This is because with my situation regarding, one, time, two, space to keep the fuckers, and three, pretty consistent moving around, I'd be sweating bullets about them getting damaged any time I had to move them. Maybe one day, but not right now.
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