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Post by disjantopsy on Jan 16, 2017 14:16:43 GMT -5
Discussion-time!
What's your opinion on limited demo/promo CD-R s?
I'm specifically talking about the usual DIY demo CD, not a full-lenght album. It's obvious that those require a lot of money to make and print, so a limited run is understanable in this case.
But I'm referring to the typical 2 or 3 song DIY Promo / Demo CD. These (in most cases) are NOT expensive to make. We probably all own a demo, which is just a plain disc with a xeroxed inlay that just features the bandlogo and the songtitles. Why are those limited? You could reprint these anyday without having hight costs.
One one hand - yeah, it's cool to own a collectors item (copy 84/100 for example) that others are looking for on eBay and pay much more than you did.
But in my opinion: Promos are meant to...well...PROMOTE your band, so what's the point of limiting your CDs to 50 copies then? Don't you want people to enjoy your music? Don't you want to get more exposure? Don't you want to get noticed by labels? I think anybody who wants a copy should be able to buy one, and if the first 50 copies are sold out and people are asking for some more...make some more!
Back in the days, bands were shoving up their demo in peoples faces, in record stores, spreading them at concerts, mailing some out to magazines or labels...this is what PROMOTING means basically. But printing 50 DIY copies of your demo to sell them online is...I dunno.
So, what's your opinion about it? I'm interested to see what you guys think!
(Note, this is just my opinion, I'm not trying to insult anybody personally, or if you're in a band and you do it this way - no offence!)
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Post by New Standard Elite on Jan 16, 2017 16:14:40 GMT -5
Discussion-time! What's your opinion on limited demo/promo CD-R s? I'm specifically talking about the usual DIY demo CD, not a full-lenght album. It's obvious that those require a lot of money to make and print, so a limited run is understanable in this case. But I'm referring to the typical 2 or 3 song DIY Promo / Demo CD. These (in most cases) are NOT expensive to make. We probably all own a demo, which is just a plain disc with a xeroxed inlay that just features the bandlogo and the songtitles. Why are those limited? You could reprint these anyday without having hight costs. One one hand - yeah, it's cool to own a collectors item (copy 84/100 for example) that others are looking for on eBay and pay much more than you did. But in my opinion: Promos are meant to...well...PROMOTE your band, so what's the point of limiting your CDs to 50 copies then? Don't you want people to enjoy your music? Don't you want to get more exposure? Don't you want to get noticed by labels? I think anybody who wants a copy should be able to buy one, and if the first 50 copies are sold out and people are asking for some more...make some more! Back in the days, bands were shoving up their demo in peoples faces, in record stores, spreading them at concerts, mailing some out to magazines or labels...this is what PROMOTING means basically. But printing 50 DIY copies of your demo to sell them online is...I dunno. So, what's your opinion about it? I'm interested to see what you guys think! (Note, this is just my opinion, I'm not trying to insult anybody personally, or if you're in a band and you do it this way - no offence!) It all takes money to make, the smaller the numbers, less money. A promo should always be free, thats the point. It is the people who pay money for them that is the problem. If nobody buys them for high dollar, nobody will sell them for high dollar. If a promo is worth nothing, its worth nothing. Technically, doing something DIY costs much more per unit than doing something professionally, though the upfront cost is much much less obviously. As far as limiting to a XX/XX number, there really aren't many people who care about owning a physical, so why make more than is needed? its like throwing money in the trash can. But, there is no reason to complain about something that is being given out free. 50 promos given out free is awesome... 50 promos being sold is wrong. |
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Post by disjantopsy on Jan 16, 2017 16:35:59 GMT -5
As far as limiting to a XX/XX number, there really aren't many people who care about owning a physical, so why make more than is needed? its like throwing money in the trash can. I don't know about that, if I had to point out an example from a band of your own roster, I'd say what about the Ecchymosis – Intrauterine Feasting Ecstasy Demo? I'm sure you are aware of the high demand for that one. I missed out on those 50 or 60 copies, but I'd still love to get my hands on a copy. So why stick to the strickt limited run instead of giving the people some more? Just an example, but I hope you know what I mean. Egregious from Belarus/Russia, they did the right thing (in my opinion), their 2014 demo was limited to 50 copies - sold out pretty quick. I was searching my balls off for a copy, couldn't find one. But due to the hight demand, they chose to do a 2nd run of another 50 copies, simply because people were asking for more. |
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Post by malice13231 on Jan 16, 2017 21:14:06 GMT -5
Egregious is a good example of why I don't like more copies being made. I also missed out on the original release. I saw they put more up so I bought one and then ignored the copy I could have bid on on eBay. Little did I know that the 2nd pressing was fucking shit in comparison. Not even a pro-printed disc this time just a white disc with a sticker! First Press of 50  Second Press of 50  ![]() |
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Post by Dimitry on Jan 17, 2017 3:18:35 GMT -5
Back in the day people promoted their bands to get signed by a label to be sponsored financially to release their stuff, now there are too much meh bands that will get no funding so they gather funds for the release by selling demos to collectors. Regarding the limitation, why make hundreds, when you can make dozens and sell them quickly by playing on the collector's urge to buy a new crappy CD-r? I'm just being sarcastic, but I hope you get my point.
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Post by goryblasphemy on Jan 17, 2017 7:06:49 GMT -5
I think its a cool concept. As it makes people think they have something special not a lot of people have.
What sucks is when a label represses a limited pressing.
Also on the topic of represses. Labels that dont altar the artwork or layout on a repress and just change the catalog ID to 2....thats boring.
As you stated these promos are given away free! Its ridiculous seeing people pay over $50 for a CD-R that anyone could make themselves.
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Post by New Standard Elite on Jan 17, 2017 16:02:29 GMT -5
As far as limiting to a XX/XX number, there really aren't many people who care about owning a physical, so why make more than is needed? its like throwing money in the trash can. I don't know about that, if I had to point out an example from a band of your own roster, I'd say what about the Ecchymosis – Intrauterine Feasting Ecstasy Demo? I'm sure you are aware of the high demand for that one. I missed out on those 50 or 60 copies, but I'd still love to get my hands on a copy. So why stick to the strickt limited run instead of giving the people some more? Just an example, but I hope you know what I mean. Egregious from Belarus/Russia, they did the right thing (in my opinion), their 2014 demo was limited to 50 copies - sold out pretty quick. I was searching my balls off for a copy, couldn't find one. But due to the hight demand, they chose to do a 2nd run of another 50 copies, simply because people were asking for more. Using Ecchymosis as an example, they put out a promo that nobody seemed to care for, with seemingly no interest from fans, i figured 50 free promos was enough. After that, there was a lot of interest and people paying stupid prices for both. Not sure what makes people change their mind on what they chose to like or want in their collection. Anything NSE makes, the numbers are based on the demand from pre-orders. If there is one pre-order for a shirt, I'm not going to print 100... if there are 100 pre-orders for a t-shirt, I'm not going to print 1. If 6 people pre-order, i would make 12 shirts. 1 month later when 100 people message me asking when i am going to make a reprint, i tell them that they should have pre-ordered. These numbers are just easily understandable examples, but if people don't show interest, then numbers will be small. You can make 100 beanies, put them up, and nobody will buy one. Put up a limited run of 25 and they will sell in 1 day. People need to quit being like that. People need to support what they like, no matter what. I always do. |
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Post by disjantopsy on Jan 18, 2017 13:26:45 GMT -5
Also on the topic of represses. Labels that dont altar the artwork or layout on a repress and just change the catalog ID to 2....thats boring. Yeah, I agree with that. It's boring, and there's not much motivation to get the first press if it looks exactly like the repress...a different artwork & layout is something worth buying both presses (if it's a good album). @nse Okay I get your point, wouldn't make sense to print in advance indeed. I guess I just had bad luck, I haven't heard about that band until they got signed to NSE, so I already missed out on their first demo because of that. |
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Post by thrsher on Jan 18, 2017 16:38:24 GMT -5
i don't care for promos/demos at all. i mostly disregard them. i prefer an EP or full length of music
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Post by Drowning in Explosive Diarrhea on Jan 18, 2017 19:19:57 GMT -5
i don't care for promos/demos at all. i mostly disregard them. i prefer an EP or full length of music Pretty much the same here. And even if there are certain promos/demos that I would like to own a copy, I always get turned off by the ridiculous shipping cost (although there are exceptions, such as NSE  ). |
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Post by Tocci on Jan 18, 2017 20:02:33 GMT -5
I actually prefer when a reissue uses the original art, the way it was intended. So many times when reissues use new art, it looks terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 20:08:44 GMT -5
I actually prefer when a reissue uses the original art, the way it was intended. So many times when reissues use new art, it looks terrible. The art they used for Anomalies of Artificial Origin by AP on vinyl is a good example of this for me. |
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Post by thrsher on Jan 19, 2017 9:45:00 GMT -5
I actually prefer when a reissue uses the original art, the way it was intended. So many times when reissues use new art, it looks terrible. my old band is working on a reissue right now and the bassist wants to make a new layout lol but im going put the original art on the flipside for those that want it |
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Post by DisJorge on Jan 19, 2017 11:19:10 GMT -5
i don't care for promos/demos at all. i mostly disregard them. i prefer an EP or full length of music +1 |
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Post by Vivum Excoriari on Jan 22, 2017 8:40:26 GMT -5
New Standard Elite being on point. My thoughts exactly. Also, I think repressing promos is stupid, just add them to an EP or full length if the demand is crazy high.
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